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Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By norm - League Admin
9/02/2022 2:49 pm
Waitwut wrote:
norm wrote:
mlowe wrote:
Hope you stay Wait. I'm with you.

What other player can get away with blatant cheating and tanking. LITERALLY saying in chat he's trying to lose every game. Any other player would be gone. I'm not trashing norm, I like how he runs the league, and I happen to disagree with billy being able to do this.

But I'll tell you why he gets away with it. Because he's an election winning, girlfriend having, YouTube starring, Army officering son of a gun. That's why. WOOOOOOOOOO!


I will say this: even though Billy talks about blatant tanking all the time, I have discussed with him in the past and we have seen from the results, that he actually does put forth a "legitimate" team and gameplan every week, for the most part. There was only one time when he put in a WR at QB for the super tank and that was frowned upon heavily. Even though he talks like this all the time about intentionally losing and, worse, saying "oh I'm playing my friend this week, I will let you win," he hasn't actually ever done that. No, all his losing is simply a product of him actually not being very good at this game. That's why he "gets away" with his blatant tanking. If he ever went to the extreme and had no kicker, played WR at QB and did all that stuff, rest assured the hammer would come down on him, but so far, it's been all talk (and general incompetence).

And to those of you who follow the billy story in chat, I think he flamed out of the army, and it's not girlfriend anymore, it's wife!


True, is wife now.

I agree to the extent that he fields a team of legitimately positioned players. Beyond that, I dont believe he cares to play and do the extra. I do believe he could accidently win more but compounds meaningless decisions, probably mostly to get a rise. Three QBs a year etc.


Yes, part of me has always wondered, if billy were to autosort his roster and autogame plan every game, would he actually win more games that way? I think there was one year where he was boasting about "random mode" or something, and I think he actually won a few games. I would say his team management is probably a net-negative. He's always built legitimate teams with actual decent talent, thanks to things like his all in trades. They are just horribly mismanaged. And he also doesn't care a lick about defense, which is, you know, half the game. I dare say, he's invested more time finding kickers than finding upgraded defense.

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By Waitwut
9/02/2022 2:56 pm
Nothing actually matters
Last edited at 9/02/2022 2:57 pm

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By Waitwut
9/02/2022 3:04 pm
Last week he puts up s fight against Monarchs, two weeks ago he rushed 54 times and zero passes.

No, yeah, he is totally not manipulating outcomes or blatantly tanking. Hahahah

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By Waitwut
9/02/2022 3:08 pm
It is hilarious to go back and read his game logs.

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By norm - League Admin
9/02/2022 3:43 pm
For better or worse, tanking is part of the game and we've never policed it. We didn't say anything when X3r0 had that QB who threw 88 INTs in a season. The only difference is that those types of tankers (1) don't brag about it and (2) have an actual rebuilding plan. But so long as people aren't complaining about the integrity of the games played, we let it slide. I mean, if people are seriously upset that the schedule makers give the AFC south the advantage of playing billy twice every year, let me know. But no one has ever complained about it affecting their team. I complained in the past when billy appeared to be "playing favorites" saying "I'll try to win this week" and saying "I'm ok losing this week" depending on the opponent. But he has promised that's not how he actually plays. If you think he's breaking his word, let me know.

But I think billy is either (1) too lazy; (2) too incompetent; or (3) actually cares about not pissing people off even more, to try the whole collusion to help his buddies out thing.

Truth be told: what the difference between billy's team and Atlanta, which hasn't had a winning season since 2019! A much longer streak than billy. No one would call Atlanta's previous owners a "loser" even though objectively, they were worse losers than billy. But because they kept their mouths shut generally, no one cared.

daniel3ooo has played 8 seasons in our league. Win percentage is .260... worse than billy's. No one is calling him out as a loser. I did complain to him about how he didn't have a punter though for few weeks.

So short summary: tanking is ok. Losing is ok. Long term losing is ok. But if you think the method of losing is affecting the league and the integrity of the game, let me know and we will see what we can do.

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By Bruno77
9/02/2022 4:07 pm
norm wrote:
For better or worse, tanking is part of the game and we've never policed it. We didn't say anything when X3r0 had that QB who threw 88 INTs in a season. The only difference is that those types of tankers (1) don't brag about it and (2) have an actual rebuilding plan. But so long as people aren't complaining about the integrity of the games played, we let it slide. I mean, if people are seriously upset that the schedule makers give the AFC south the advantage of playing billy twice every year, let me know. But no one has ever complained about it affecting their team. I complained in the past when billy appeared to be "playing favorites" saying "I'll try to win this week" and saying "I'm ok losing this week" depending on the opponent. But he has promised that's not how he actually plays. If you think he's breaking his word, let me know.

But I think billy is either (1) too lazy; (2) too incompetent; or (3) actually cares about not pissing people off even more, to try the whole collusion to help his buddies out thing.

Truth be told: what the difference between billy's team and Atlanta, which hasn't had a winning season since 2019! A much longer streak than billy. No one would call Atlanta's previous owners a "loser" even though objectively, they were worse losers than billy. But because they kept their mouths shut generally, no one cared.

daniel3ooo has played 8 seasons in our league. Win percentage is .260... worse than billy's. No one is calling him out as a loser. I did complain to him about how he didn't have a punter though for few weeks.

So short summary: tanking is ok. Losing is ok. Long term losing is ok. But if you think the method of losing is affecting the league and the integrity of the game, let me know and we will see what we can do.


We'll get there soon-ish once all the dross is cleared!

Just won't be known as Atlanta anymore :o

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By billyvan1989
9/02/2022 5:48 pm
Well for that wr into qb position was an accident and I didn’t recheck it when I moved my wr into the right position and later I find out it too late check it on the phone. It harder to use back then on an android phone. That one doesn’t count as a tank.

norm wrote:
mlowe wrote:
Hope you stay Wait. I'm with you.

What other player can get away with blatant cheating and tanking. LITERALLY saying in chat he's trying to lose every game. Any other player would be gone. I'm not trashing norm, I like how he runs the league, and I happen to disagree with billy being able to do this.

But I'll tell you why he gets away with it. Because he's an election winning, girlfriend having, YouTube starring, Army officering son of a gun. That's why. WOOOOOOOOOO!


I will say this: even though Billy talks about blatant tanking all the time, I have discussed with him in the past and we have seen from the results, that he actually does put forth a "legitimate" team and gameplan every week, for the most part. There was only one time when he put in a WR at QB for the super tank and that was frowned upon heavily. Even though he talks like this all the time about intentionally losing and, worse, saying "oh I'm playing my friend this week, I will let you win," he hasn't actually ever done that. No, all his losing is simply a product of him actually not being very good at this game. That's why he "gets away" with his blatant tanking. If he ever went to the extreme and had no kicker, played WR at QB and did all that stuff, rest assured the hammer would come down on him, but so far, it's been all talk (and general incompetence).

And to those of you who follow the billy story in chat, I think he flamed out of the army, and it's not girlfriend anymore, it's wife!
Last edited at 9/02/2022 5:51 pm

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By billyvan1989
9/02/2022 11:01 pm
Next season I going to start gunning for you waitwut. I abandoned the other two league to go full force on you next season.

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By Waitwut
9/03/2022 6:27 am
Billy is very transparent about what he is doing, whether in game logs or his comments. Idk why he has apologists, or how any other picture could be derived. It isn't speculation at this point on my behalf. To think Billy has no control and to excuse him is depicting a reality that is not consistent with his practice and tells.

I am just not sure how you can take yourself there.

I'm the only one with the problem.
Last edited at 9/03/2022 6:28 am

Re: Please Stay, Waitwut!!

By Bruno77
9/03/2022 6:49 am
Waitwut wrote:
Billy is very transparent about what he is doing, whether in game logs or his comments. Idk why he has apologists, or how any other picture could be derived. It isn't speculation at this point on my behalf. To think Billy has no control and to excuse him is depicting a reality that is not consistent with his practice and tells.

I am just not sure how you can take yourself there.

I'm the only one with the problem.


In an ideal world we can get a league with 32 competitive owners going, but that isn't realistic due to the size of the MFN userbase.

The impression I get of this league is a more fun, laid-back atmosphere, which can allow for more stuff to go awry if left unchecked but I think that's for the better because this is a game and if people aren't having fun what's the point?

The only thing I take seriously is executing my strategy, everything else is just fun & games. For billy it may be a different story.

The most competitive league I'm in I would recommend you to join but GDB is in that one too. And you basically have Billy 2.0 in JohnWayneShooters

Last edited at 9/03/2022 6:50 am