yea....I don't care if you beat me in the playoffs, I know how good my team is and by trading my qb to tb last year, I was in no way trying to win anyway. Also, no...i didn't say you took advantage of jax. This is just a poor trade. In terms of "motives," it is simple, keep the competitive balance of all teams. It is as simple as that. For new owners and veteran owners alike, I am sure no one wants to see a trade where it is quite obvious one of the owners does not care what is going on. If this is the case, the owner should be booted like asn said to keep the competitive integrity of this league.

And I must politely ask you to open your eyes, so far there has been 3 teams that voted to reverse this trade so it is not the so call "only one team is pushing." It is simply I am voicing my opinion more so than others.

And like I stated in my reasons in a previous post and in asn's post, the Jax owner does not have a good track record of keeping teams or even rebuilding teams. That in itself is pretty good indication that this trade was not made in good faith on the basis of the Jax owner.

On a side note, yea...I won't be needing or will be wanting of your help any time in the near future so keep the pettiness aside.

Let’s not cast judgment on MGRIFFIN so fast. Hopefully he will share his side of the story.

I appreciate the debate here. Please keep it civil and remember that I will make the call which means the vote totals are just a guide for me and not binding. That said I will be influenced by your votes and your comments. I understand CLT and IRVs positions. Anyone else want to add their thoughts?

Lol so warthog get the first pick. Is that what you want me to learn norm from billstein.

I'd also remind everyone that any draft pick comes with risk, I do not see a for sure superstar in this entire class (I probably rate slow QBs lower than everyone here). It is entirely possible Bill takes a guy and he busts massively.

I think once the league is more established and we have owners that want to play the game and care about their teams, the trade should stand. But with how new the league is and the JAX owner just popping in and out of leagues the trade is questionable.

I don't think the trade is good for the League but I think it is fair.

I wish good luck to Charlotte and hope this is resolved fairly to both the league and Charlotte.

Billy... This is not a question of whether or not you want to help or harm an opponent... the question is, Do you think I did something deceitful, or tried to get around the rules?

If you don't think I did something outside the rules, voting against me is just a sign of trying to hurt a competitor.

I think you're better than that.

I may have messed up something but I had promised no draft until Monday so that is now fixed. I’ll post the resolution later today. Thanks.

I vote against you is because I see this deal is not fair deal. I did try to be neutral however my integrity say no. Even though me and you have a good relation I have to vote veto it to be fair to everyone in this league. Especially I sense this player mcgriffin not even care about that team at all. It very disrespectful to all our teams in this league who working very hard and play fair to reach Super Bowl.

At the same time I don’t mind u get first pick to beat norm or asn in this coming season. I say let him keep the first round pick and then we can decide to kick mcgriffin out for not been active and Disrespectful to all our team owners who play in this league. It just my opinion. So I am still on the fence with my vote. I support both side.

So norm please take out my cast of vote on this thread. I will stay neutral and support both side of argument.